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Katie: Hey and welcome to the Wellness Mama podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and this episode is all about letting youngsters cleared the path, about embracing vital pondering and the altering nature of training, all by means of the lens of youngsters cooking within the kitchen. And I actually beloved this interview that went in a variety of completely different instructions. I’m right here with Lisa Jendza, who was a guide for HP and she or he witnessed what she calls the decline in vital pondering and launched into a journey to assist coach adults and now kids on tips on how to take their energy again and suppose extra critically.
And just like her grownup detox program, her cooking lessons are an experiential approach to create lasting change and extra vital pondering and resulting in extra youngsters who’re extra empowered, revered and given the liberty to discover. She opens up dialogue round what it means to be a pacesetter, how youngsters are affected by peer stress with regards to what’s thought of regular in meals and life-style decisions, and rather more in her packages known as Freedom Kitchen, which is a judgment-free zone the place she helps youngsters discover the braveness to discover completely different elements and finally, tips on how to be leaders of their very own well being and happiness out and in of the classroom.
And this was a extremely enjoyable interview. I believe it’ll resonate for plenty of households. We speak about her journey, how actions communicate louder than phrases, however expertise trumps motion, how she teaches life classes by means of kitchen abilities, the significance of experiments, how failure and perfection are each not allowed, tips on how to shift mindset by means of meals experiences, how youngsters are so able to understanding and making good decisions about meals and about life.
We speak about proper brain-focused approaches to training, how cooking is a superb entire mind expertise with each proper and left mind actions, how our youngsters’ futures will look very completely different than we are able to predict and tips on how to assist them put together, tips on how to create extra alternatives for proper mind studying in youngsters, and a lot extra. I very a lot loved this interview, and so let’s be a part of Lisa. Lisa, welcome. Thanks a lot for being right here.
Lisa: Oh, thanks a lot for having me, Katie. It’s an honor.
Katie: I’m very excited to talk with you as a result of I believe now we have a variety of alignment in a few of our beliefs and I believe you have got such a good looking means of explaining and educating it that’s actually related, particularly to youngsters and nearly all of the individuals listening are mother and father. So I believe that is going to be very relevant to many, most of the individuals listening. And I believe for some background for this episode, as a result of we’re going to get to delve deep into the work that you simply do now. And I do know this has not at all times been the work that you simply do, however that you simply additionally, what possibly what led to a few of this, not less than from researching your bio is noticing a decline in vital pondering after which taking a look at tips on how to create options for that. And as a homeschooling mother and an entrepreneur, that is one in every of my first rules of life and of parenting is how can we really nurture these abilities that can serve our youngsters in no matter they encounter in grownup life and creativity and significant pondering prime that record in our home. And so I really like that this was the impetus for you, however I’d love to listen to about a few of your background and what led to that bounce.
Lisa: Nicely, let me simply say that I honor you and respect you and the entire homeschool mother and father on the market. I didn’t homeschool my youngsters. They did undergo the general public faculty system. I used to be a company data expertise guide. For a few years, I used to be in operations, community operations. Most years, GM being my shopper. So I used to be answerable for conserving meeting traces operating after which conserving the OnStar software operating. And so should you can think about, I used to be on name 24/7 and with the calls for of my job, I raised my youngsters on packing containers and drive-throughs and I trusted the varsity system. I used to be a product of the varsity system and a number of school levels.
And alongside the best way, I undoubtedly advanced. So I don’t suppose that there’s a proper or unsuitable reply. What I love to do now could be encourage dialog, provoke some thought round among the decisions we’re making as a result of I believe among the decisions we make are on autopilot as a result of it’s simply what we do, proper? It’s simply what society does. And that’s what I discovered as I used to be in my consulting profession. The solutions that I’d get from individuals is, properly, it’s simply at all times been performed this fashion. And I believe I used to be placed on this planet to truly problem the established order. So I moved from difficult the established order and IT Consulting to essentially type of all areas of life. And the best way I have a look at it’s now I’m serving to to develop future leaders.
Katie: Nicely, and I really like the work you do. And I’m so glad we’re attending to have this dialog as a result of that was my journey as properly. And the explanation that I ended up homeschooling, I’ve talked about this just a little bit earlier than, however was when my oldest was 5, making an attempt to ask higher questions. And I really like that you simply introduced that up. I believe once we ask higher questions, we clearly get higher solutions. However I checked out him at nearly 5 years previous and thought, what’s going to finest put together him for grownup life? Realizing that what I do in grownup life didn’t exist as a profession choice once I was 5. So nobody might have anticipated to immediately put together me for that. And realizing his future might be in who is aware of, instructions that haven’t even been invented but. So what finest prepares youngsters for that?
And such as you, I labored backwards and realized it was these foundational abilities. It wasn’t information down, it was abilities up. And it was the mindset that they’ve as they develop up. It’s these foundational issues that they will construct on into no matter they find yourself pursuing of their grownup life. And I believe the best way that you simply carry this in with youngsters can be actually, actually distinctive and likewise tremendous relevant. Such as you, I used to be additionally a product of the varsity system. So there was undoubtedly some vital pondering that needed to occur for me and a few dismantling of assumptions that existed for me. However speak extra about the way you then made that change after which what you’re doing now to essentially nurture that ability, as a result of I believe that is so foundational and vital.
Lisa: Yeah, properly, phrases don’t educate, experiences do. And that was one thing additionally I didn’t actually perceive when my youngsters had been younger. And we are able to inform our youngsters to do one thing completely different, however resulting from mirror neurons, they’re going to observe what we’re doing. So one factor we’ve all heard is, , actions communicate louder than phrases, however what speaks louder than actions is experiences.
And so I really moved into serving to adults detox first. And so I ended up buying a wellness spa and I began educating cleansing about 16 years in the past. And as many lectures as I gave, I noticed the identical factor that I noticed in Company America and folks’s eyes would glaze over. Like they weren’t comprehending all the things I used to be making an attempt to show them. And I acknowledged this must be an expertise. And so over time, I created a program that I’d take individuals by means of, a three-month detox program that’s an experiential course of. Then they may have their very own epiphany, their very own awakening, come to their very own conclusions. They didn’t want me to inform them. They wanted to determine it out.
And I have a look at it like bumpers in a bowling lane, , like bumper bowling. So I put this system in place with the bumpers and I’d allow them to bump up towards the bumpers in order that they may work out what was proper for them. Nicely, now that I’m educating youngsters, which actually was divine intervention, it’s actually the identical idea. I put collectively a program the place they bump up towards the bumpers, the place we get within the kitchen and we expertise, and I ask them questions. And the one motive I’m nonetheless educating this program is due to the questions that they ask me. They’ve confirmed to me simply how clever they’re, how deep pondering they’re. They’ve confirmed to me that they’ve management means. And due to the questions that they ask me, I proceed to show this program.
Katie: I really like that. And I really like that you simply heart it within the kitchen as a result of I believe with my background in well being and diet as properly, I believe that is also a foundational ability and that many individuals make it to maturity with out realizing tips on how to cook dinner even. And I believe that like all training and experiences to your level that we can provide them at an early age, that additionally helps nurture how autonomous they really feel and the way in a position and succesful they really feel, which I believe that ability interprets into each space of life as properly.
And I keep in mind early on realizing with my youngsters too is that I began with the primary precept that when they had been able to doing one thing for them, I used to be now not going to do it for them as a result of I felt like that was an insult to their means, to their functionality, and that was undermining their means to develop inside that realm. And so I’ve held on to that as my youngsters have reached all these varied ages. And positively there’s a variety of letting go on the mother facet for that. And it’s superb how briskly they develop up.
However I’d love some examples of the way you do that with the children, particularly like what are a few of these higher questions that they’ve requested you? What are among the methods you construct that in for them? And what are some ways in which households listening can begin to take that method in their very own houses to begin to give their youngsters the identical expertise?
Lisa: Yeah, properly, first I’d like to say that this can be a judgment-free zone. I didn’t educate my youngsters tips on how to cook dinner, and I figured that out when my daughter went off to school. And so anybody who comes into my program, I at all times begin with this, this can be a judgment-free zone. And you can find that my kitchen is infused with love. and I’ve, I maintain a really secure area energetically in order that these coming into that area with me can be taught and develop and experiment. We have to experiment. We have now to attempt various things. It’s the one means that we be taught and we develop. So there’s no such factor as failure and there’s no such factor as excellent.
So I inform the children, I even file cooking movies, Katie, the place I’ve made a mistake within the recipe and I hold it within the video and I say, oh, look, you guys, I made a mistake, however my streusel nonetheless turned out. And the way about we make it a second time? And I say, , I would determine this time to make use of half the quantity of sugar. And so I’m displaying them tips on how to experiment. Now, in each class are choices. I speak to them about you might use this, or you might use this, or you might use this. And what the children have stated to me, I’ve had highschool college students which have come to me and stated, that is the very best class I’ve ever taken. Since you don’t simply give us issues to memorize. You present us all of our choices, and also you inform us to seek out what’s finest for us. Nobody has ever performed that. Which that’s exceptional to me. I wasn’t educated as a trainer, and but I’ve households and college students coming to me saying that they’ve gleaned extra or gained extra from this class. These varieties of feedback, after which the questions that I get, I’ll have a scholar that can cease at a station. Each class is just a little completely different, how I set it up, and have a look at me, I can inform the wheels are turning, and I’m like, what’s your query? What are you pondering?
And so I simply pull their questions out of them in the event that they don’t blurt them out. And so they say… Nicely, if making jell-o is that this straightforward, why would we purchase the moment stuff on the grocery retailer? And I say, oh my gosh, that’s such a superb query. Why would we purchase the moment stuff on the grocery retailer? So everybody go ask your households who is aware of tips on how to make jell-o and educate them as a result of I believe we forgot. And the meals corporations would love us to suppose that it’s laborious and that they must do it for us. Um, we made lemon meringue pie and I teased the children. We obtained performed making our pies and I stated, Oh my gosh, we forgot the yellow meals dye. And so they all regarded round, checked out their recipe they usually’re like, I adopted the recipe after which they checked out their pies and it clicked. And so they stated, “Miss Lisa, our pie is yellow”. I do know! So why would they ever put meals dye, yellow meals dye, in one thing that’s yellow? I imply, I’ve had 9 yr olds which have stated to me, I’m by no means consuming chemical substances or meals dyes once more, and I’m going to inform all my mates to not. And actually made the connection that if all of them cease consuming meals dyes, the businesses gained’t use meals dyes.
These youngsters, these are issues they bring about up. These are realizations they’ve. So I carry a variety of little enjoyable experiences into class and I simply make it enjoyable and humorous. I imply, as a result of… I’m fairly indignant about our meals provide. I’m fairly indignant about the place issues are, Katie, but when we are able to’t make… I don’t need to say like make enjoyable of it or make mild of it. I simply don’t know tips on how to get by means of to the children some other means than to have some satire.
Katie: Nicely, and I believe you touched on one thing so vital. And I’ve talked just a little bit about this too, however I’m excited to go deeper on the mindset element of this as a result of I, such as you understand the worth of experimentation and training and the way succesful youngsters are from usually a lot youthful than we consider understanding these items and truly making these selections themselves. And so individuals, after they ask, , how do you retain your youngsters from consuming regardless of the meals is or hold them from desirous to do these issues? My reply is normally that I really don’t. I consider in training and really open conversations and having them perceive and have the instruments to know from a younger age how the inputs they put of their mouth impacts their physique.
However I additionally don’t need to diminish their autonomy and making decisions round that as a result of I consider that if they’re given the best instruments, they may make good decisions more often than not. And so I need, and to your level with experimentation, I additionally need them to have the liberty to make decisions that I wouldn’t have made for them typically and really feel the outcomes of these decisions. So in the event that they’re not in my home, I’m not controlling what they eat. And I discover that particularly as they become older, they nearly at all times make good decisions as a result of they’re allowed to make the alternatives they usually really feel the possession of that. Whereas if we externally management that for them, they by no means get to step into the precise possession and the understanding. And such as you speak in regards to the experimentation, and I really like that you simply say there’s no failure and there’s no excellent. I believe reframing that alone and taking away that side of failure lets them really feel a lot safer in experimentation. And I’d guess your lessons additionally really feel so enjoyable due to that, as a result of it’s an experiment, it’s an journey, it’s not this inflexible container that they’re dwelling in.
Lisa: Yeah, yeah, we do a variety of experimentation even at school and now we have errors at school, proper? We have now eggs on the ground, now we have an excessive amount of salt, now we have… My class really is a judgment-free zone, and the children know there’s nothing that they will try this’s unsuitable. And nearly at all times the meals remains to be edible.
Katie: Yeah, I really like that. I believe from a mother or father’s perspective, it may be laborious typically, particularly at these younger ages when they’re so curious and truly a lot need to do these issues. It may be laborious at hand over the reins and allow them to have these experiences. I really like not labeling them as failures, however I do know it may be irritating for folks when the eggs fall on the ground or when elements get wasted. However I additionally really feel like these are such investments as a result of they pay dividends as the children become older, to start with, of their mindset and the way they really feel about their means to do issues and to deal with challenges and to attempt new issues.
But additionally having seen that play out with my youngsters, the truth that my youngsters made their very own kitchen system and now handle the kitchen totally nearly on their very own, they usually cook dinner most meals as a result of they get pleasure from it. And my son will watch YouTube movies and work out tips on how to do reductions and the way to ensure the wine has cooked off however that it prompts the flavour profile and all these items. And I used to be like, I wasn’t doing that at 15, however they’ve this experimentation they usually like it. And the consequence for me is that now I don’t must cook dinner dinner most days as a result of my youngsters need to do it. I’m not forcing them to do it.
Lisa: Sure. Yeah, I inform individuals I’ve eight and 9 yr olds that cook dinner dinner for his or her households. And I’ve had mother and father come to me and say, we thought we thought she was a choosy eater, however now we understand we’re in all probability the choosy eaters as a result of she’ll eat something and she or he needs to make all the things she’s discovered in your class. And so I do present like a grocery record for the mother and father and I present video, all of my lessons are prerecorded each faculty yr. So I present video classes after which additionally video messages to the mother and father to maintain them on the identical web page as a result of I already know their youngsters are going to need the more healthy choices. So I share with the mother and father all of the elements we use as a result of I say they be taught in my kitchen however they reside in yours.
Katie: I really like that. Are there any suggestions for organising such a setting in a house? These programs are movies, so households can combine them. Are there any suggestions for organising the kitchen setting to be extra kid-friendly or organising the vitality and the mindset across the kitchen that makes youngsters really feel extra included and capable of step into that?
Lisa: I at all times encourage mother and father to have some utensils, their very own cookbook, allow them to really feel like they’ve their very own area within the kitchen, possibly a drawer with their utensils. However greater than that, it’s simply actually the mindset. And once more, being utterly clear, I didn’t have endurance when my youngsters had been younger. And so it was tough for me. I didn’t need them within the kitchen with me. I not often cooked in any case due to my profession.
So I believe it’s higher to have another person educate them. I inform households on a regular basis, should you don’t have the endurance for it, no worries. Ship them to my class as a result of at this level in my life, I do have the endurance for this. And it looks as if after they be taught from another person, possibly simply in my case, as a result of I didn’t have a variety of endurance when my youngsters had been younger. However after they be taught from another person, it turns into extra their thought and also you don’t have the parent-child, , combativeness, they go residence they usually inform the mother and father like, I need to use coconut sugar as a result of it’s half the glycemic index. After which the mother and father are calling me saying, okay, the place do I discover coconut sugar, when it’s the child’s thought, when it’s the kid’s thought. I believe the very best factor we are able to do is simply give them area and assist.
Katie: Yeah, I really like that. And I believe there’s additionally like the sensible facet as properly. Like my kitchen has modified quite a bit over time from the years once I solely had children and I used to be doing the entire cooking to now the higher cupboards get used very not often and the decrease cupboards are full of stuff as a result of I need all the things to be reachable for them.
And I additionally realized like, I needed to not child proof, however make certain all the things was accessible to them. So I attempted to make all the things as sturdy as doable, reduce glass after they’re youthful in order that they don’t have these experiences of creating a real human mistake of dropping one thing after which feeling unhealthy about it. I needed them to have the ability to work together totally with the kitchen as a lot as doable.
I additionally suppose you’re proper. You touched on one thing actually vital, which is that whereas mother and father stands out as the first and most vital academics of their youngsters, we’re definitely not the one academics. And sometimes, particularly at completely different ages, they will hear one thing higher from different individuals, particularly people who find themselves very passionate and have a variety of experience in a selected space. And so I believe that is one which I believe you have got a really invaluable useful resource for due to that. And I’m noticing this with my youngsters at varied ages, even my youngsters realizing, I believe they do nonetheless really pay attention and concentrate, however they’re at an age the place additionally they pay extra consideration to their coaches or to different individuals they work together with. And I’m tremendous grateful that I’ve this superb community of those secure adults who assist be nice influences for them. And I believe anytime we are able to herald somebody who’s one other nice perspective, that’s simply an asset to our youngsters.
Lisa: Yeah, I keep in mind my youngsters coming residence and telling me all the things their mates’ mother and father stated and placing far more inventory into what their mates’ mother and father stated. And likewise, these mother and father would say that their youngsters held on each phrase I stated. So there’s one thing about that age the place they’re in search of validation outdoors of their mother and father. They should hear it once more from another person they usually’re actually in search of their very own independence.
In order that they’re in search of some sort of validation and steerage in order that they will change into unbiased from their mother and father. So I at all times say, your baby won’t ever come residence from my class as making you unsuitable. Let me be the opposite mother. What greater than doubtless will occur is that they’ll come residence they usually’ll validate one thing you’ve informed them earlier than.
Katie: Completely. I believe that’s actually such a invaluable perspective. What ages do you discover individuals at? Which ages of youngsters sometimes take your lessons and do you have got lessons for every kind of various ages, together with like extra superior ones for older youngsters?
Lisa: Yeah, I educate ages 6 to 18. I begin them in my kitchen in first grade. I’ve a variety of requests for 4 and five-year-olds. So I get the DK and the Ok requests. It’s just a little difficult in my bodily kitchen as a result of most of my DKers or kindergartners want step stools and want much more supervision with regards to sharp objects and warmth. So I ask for them to not come to my kitchen till age six, however I do provide my at residence videotaped programs for households to begin youthful than that.
And I do have a highschool management program that’s along with the cooking program the place we’re really speaking in regards to the supply of our meals. So it’s actually an issue answer class the place we’re speaking in regards to the issues within the meals provide and within the ecosystem. Every thing from meals dyes or issues which can be performed in manufacturing all the best way again even to the supply of our meals and the chemical substances which can be sprayed on our soil killing the microbes and what’s killing the bees. And since Katie, I’ve discovered that by means of this class the children are able to pondering larger and I’m able to go deeper not solely with the questioning and the thought frightening classes however having them take part within the options.
Katie: Yeah, I believe that’s so genius and that it roots it in one thing very relevant to them a number of occasions per day. That’s such an integral a part of their expertise as kids in consuming, but additionally, such as you stated, it connects to the broader world round them, which they’re wired to be so interested in. And I believe that’s actually the right time as a result of such as you, I really feel like we have to increase innovators and answer makers and that’s going to be, and that is why I’m so grateful to get to speak to mothers as a result of I believe mothers are such a drive of nature. And we not simply have buying energy, though we’re, after all, the largest buying energy, however we’re immediately concerned with the following technology, which provides us a extremely distinctive means to assist hopefully create options for the longer term by serving to our youngsters change into answer makers for the longer term.
And I believe it’s so sensible the best way you do that with a meals first method, as a result of that’s so relevant to youngsters at all ages, each child has to eat. And should you can tie in these vital issues to one thing they’re already experiencing and already doing and use it as a approach to springboard them into understanding the broader world in a extra intricate means, I believe that’s going to pay dividends not simply in households, after all, there too, however in society as an entire as these youngsters become older.
Lisa: Sure, and that’s actually my objective. You recognize, you introduced up some extent early on that your profession didn’t exist. You recognize, 20, 30 years in the past. And I’ll say, I do know I’m older than you, however 40, 50 years in the past, well being teaching didn’t exist. I had no intention of changing into a well being coach. All of my levels are in enterprise and administration. As a matter of reality, I used to be very specialised in expertise and administration. And I needed to enhance the world, I believed.
I really feel like I’m enhancing the world extra now as a well being coach than I did in all these years in expertise. Now, some individuals may beg to vary as a result of they like that blue button of their automobile they usually can name OnStar. However in a variety of ways in which’s probably not contributing to the evolution of our planet, of our species. And a variety of issues have modified in my lifetime and they’ll proceed to vary in our youngsters’ lifetime.
And one of many issues that I’ve been imploring a variety of mother and father to consider is that STEM lessons is probably not the only option, after they can’t compete with a pc. We actually want to have interaction. So a variety of STEM lessons are very heavy on the left mind, analytical, logical thoughts. The way in which we innovate is to make use of our proper mind, not our left mind. And our faculty system is about as much as be very left mind analytical. Which is why I didn’t perceive as they began lowering and eradicating the humanities, why so many individuals had been upset with that, which I perceive now we’d like entry to the best mind.
Cooking is a good looking expertise that’s entire mind integrative. So we use proper mind and left mind. So once I speak about having braveness, confidence and creativity, I’m transferring them on a continuum from one thing that’s logical, left mind, that’s what they’re used to, learn this course of and comply with it. After which I take them on a journey to creativity. Now, what else might we do with this? What if we lose all of the bees? Will now we have this meals? So we’re on a journey to create one thing new.
So I begin them within the left mind and take them over to the best mind. And we actually want entire mind actions for our youngsters. And I’d even say we in all probability want much more proper mind actions than we’d like left mind. They’re getting loads of left mind actions. They’re not going to have the ability to write code higher than synthetic intelligence. So we’re going to must innovate. Their future will look completely different than what we are able to predict. One of the best factor we are able to do is give them the instruments to be wholesome, to be versatile, after which get out of their means, in order that they will create one thing new, one thing that we are able to’t envision.
Katie: That’s such a superb level. And I believe that touches on one of many large conversations taking place in society proper now could be as AI is changing into a lot extra distinguished, how is that going to vary all of our lives? And to your level, we won’t be able to compete with computer systems on the issues computer systems are designed to do higher and that don’t have the slowdowns that human brains have. And I, such as you, have shared that concern of them taking a variety of these proper mind issues out of colleges.
So for folks listening, realizing the restrictions if their youngsters are in faculties. Clearly, cooking is a big first step and I really like that you simply clarify that as an entire mind exercise. What are another methods we are able to create alternatives for extra of that creativity and that proper mind exercise in our houses, in our youngsters’ lives? Some other ideas for a way we will help them with that?
Lisa: Yeah. You recognize, I’m going to say among the apparent issues that you simply’ve in all probability informed your viewers. Much less display time, much less, much less video games. We have now to get out and now we have to attach with nature, however we have to be having dialog. It’s by means of dialog in my cooking lessons. I at all times say there’s a profit to taking my videotaped lessons at residence as a result of the children get to cook dinner in their very own kitchen from starting to finish. However there’s a profit to being within the kitchen with me. And a variety of that comes all the way down to dialog and group.
We want dialog and group as a result of that’s the place they hear the questions of the opposite college students. That’s the place they will ask questions, the place they will discover. And we have to try this in additional areas, not simply cooking. There are many areas the place we are able to become involved. I believe the children can get out and truly do internships. So I’m bringing in a beekeeper who’s in his 20s who has stated that he would love to assist my college students study beekeeping. The extra experiential processes that they will do. Phrases don’t educate, experiences do. It’s the experiential processes that can provoke extra questions and extra exploration.
Katie: I really like that you simply’re bringing in a beekeeper. I’ve been a beekeeper since I used to be in all probability 13. And that’s one other space I believe we’re clearly dealing with some difficulties with our bee inhabitants on the earth. And so I believe the extra youngsters now we have concerned in understanding that, and I believe youngsters additionally naturally have a tendency to like studying about and interacting with bees. So I really like that you simply’re bringing that in as properly.
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You made me additionally consider in our household, we solely have a few line objects within the finances which can be basically limitless. And that’s if they need books, I’m at all times comfortable to purchase them books, something they need to study, but additionally any type of inventive experimentation. I at all times attempt to assist that in my youngsters as a lot as doable, whether or not it’s they need to learn to sew, whether or not it’s they need to learn to velocity resolve a Rubik’s Dice, or they need to be taught some new ability, or they need to construct one thing. I at all times attempt to give them the instruments to try this at any time when doable as a result of I keep in mind how a lot I discovered and the way once I look again by myself childhood, I definitely don’t keep in mind my finest day of taking exams at school, however I definitely keep in mind my finest day of studying tips on how to do stained glass, for example, or studying tips on how to sew for the primary time or studying beekeeping. Like I keep in mind these issues so vividly and I can see now how they’ve formed different areas of my life with the abilities that crossed over, not even the direct experiences, however how a lot that’s rippled by means of.
So I really like that you simply’re even in your cooking lessons bringing in different disciplines as properly so youngsters get that publicity and that have. And I believe possibly in these moments, that’s additionally is perhaps these occasions after they discover the factor they’re captivated with or that they love.
And I additionally actually consider that children are pure sample makers. I obtained recommendation from a good friend years in the past that each morning the children watched three TED talks on unrelated subjects as a result of he stated youngsters are such pure sample makers. And should you give them publicity to issues that aren’t usually associated, their brains will discover and create patterns and join dots. And I believe that’s additionally a giant step into that innovation and downside fixing vital pondering adults that we’d like on the earth. And so should you give them issues that aren’t thought of associated already, they may discover sample that different individuals aren’t taking a look at they usually may discover a distinctive approach to apply one thing they study robotics, possibly to the issue of plastic within the ocean or no matter it could be. However they only are so naturally wired for that at younger ages. And so I really like that you simply’re giving much more instruments that folks can use to assist in giving these youngsters these experiences.
Lisa: Sure, oh my gosh, I really like that remark. It was a pure extension for me to go from educating them tips on how to make a cake with honey, to speak about what elements on this cake required us to have bees. As a result of most of them say honey, however we would have liked the bees for the oranges, the almond flour, the pistachios. We wanted pollinators for extra than simply the honey. And so we are able to then have that larger dialog.
And so in my lessons, particularly with my older youngsters, we’re actually speaking in regards to the concern round local weather change as a substitute of being empowered to truly make a change. The place there’s a variety of concern and concern retains us in survival mode. And so my objective is to essentially empower these youngsters to really feel empowered, however secure and like a contributor and their concepts matter as a result of all the things appears to be minimized. You recognize, we hear that this downside is way larger than any of us can deal with, however but the children might select of their technology to do away with lawns and to plant clover to feed the pollinators. The largest killer of the bees is garden. All of us have a garden. You recognize, I go searching, I’ve lived in my home 30 years and I’ve planted a variety of bushes, none of them fruit bearing. Not till simply final yr we planted raspberries and I simply planted edible bushes and a pair timber at my son and my daughter’s homes. However why did we plant non-edible, inedible landscaping? These are issues that our youngsters can change and nature is ample. And we’ve been made to consider it’s so scarce.
And so we’re addressing all of that in my lessons, like, oh, these are so ample. Are you able to develop these in your state? You recognize, I do know we are able to develop these in our state. And so I herald a variety of classes about what does it take to develop a pear tree? Do you must have a cross pollinator? Do you must have two? How lengthy earlier than it bears fruit? So we’re speaking about that as we’re making pear galettes. As a result of that’s what solves the larger downside and that’s what units them free. And my message at Freedom Kitchen is de facto that they will set themselves free. I spotted that there was a variety of management, corporatocracy. I come out of company so I might see it firsthand. There was a variety of management and we forgot. And doubtless not you since you’ve performed so good homeschooling and also you’ve taught your youngsters to be unbiased. However I believe nearly all of our society has change into codependent and never unbiased. So my objective is to create unbiased youngsters and subsequent technology.
Katie: Do you have got any ideas for possibly making that shift in mindset of parenting at completely different ages? As a result of I do know as my youngsters have grown, I’ve definitely grown up with them and discovered at every degree. And I can look again so many occasions and suppose, oh, I want I had recognized that after they had been this age. However it’s all been a studying journey.
However for individuals who possibly have older youngsters and are possibly recognizing a few of these indicators, are there issues we are able to do and shift even then that can assist our youngsters develop that vital pondering and develop these foundational abilities earlier than they attain maturity? Or even when they’re already in maturity and we nonetheless have a relationship with them, issues that we are able to do to assist?
Lisa: Nicely, you’re going to make me cry as a result of my youngsters are of their twenties. And so I believe each mother or father seems again and says, I want I’d have recognized. I want I’d have performed this higher or that higher. And so there’s loads of issues that I look again on and need I’d have recognized.
And so I actually reside by the phrase from Maya Angelou, once we know higher, we do higher. That’s why I say this can be a judgment-free zone, as a result of we are able to solely do to the flexibility of what we all know. So what we do is we begin the place we’re at at this time. You recognize the saying, the very best time to plant an oak tree was 30 years in the past and the following finest time is at this time. So we begin the place we’re at.
Making an attempt to make an enormous change. Like we had been a household that ate out seven days per week. So making an attempt to shift, and my youngsters had been in center faculty once I made the shift in our family. I couldn’t try this in a single day. They might simply insurgent. And at that time they had been already addicted. We had been all hooked on quick meals and junk meals. There’s a nice program for anybody who’s on processed meals dependancy. And the analysis of Joan Ifland, and she or he has a textbook with 2,000 analysis research in it of how we’re completely addicted. And people meals had been created to be addictive. So making an attempt to vary that in a single day shouldn’t be doable. So that you begin one step at a time and that is in all probability why well being coach there’s so many well being coaches as a result of we coach individuals by means of altering that.
However it actually is a phased method. And I’d simply say, the extra loving you will be with your self and together with your kids by means of that course of, relying on the place you’re at and the way a lot wants to vary, give your self some grace.
Katie: And I believe the wonder there, I’ve heard this from so many households, is that children are a lot extra adaptable too than adults that usually when an entire household makes that change, the children will really adapt quicker and their style buds will change and they’re usually capable of hearken to their our bodies extra rapidly and understand what feels good of their physique, what doesn’t, the issues that their physique wants and doesn’t. And so I believe that circles again to the sooner elements of our dialog of once we are capable of give them that autonomy and that possession, they usually change to creating good selections, I really feel like quicker than adults can as a result of usually, I do know I had that too, I had years of different consuming habits that I needed to un-pattern and getting used to these processed meals that I needed to un-pattern. Whereas youngsters, particularly in the event that they’re capable of be raised that means from the very starting, however even when they aren’t, I really feel like they adapt a lot extra rapidly.
And in addition that crosses over into all the things else we’re speaking about as properly in that children adapt in each space of studying, I really feel like a lot extra rapidly. And I’ve discovered a lot from my youngsters. Hopefully I’ve additionally taught them quite a bit, however I’ve discovered a lot from them. And it’s superb to see how succesful they’re of understanding issues and seeing patterns I don’t see and the way rapidly they adapt after they be taught new issues. So I at all times like to provide that as encouragement for folks as a result of I do know it appears like it may be an uphill battle or very, very daunting should you’re making that change, such as you stated, totally from scratch. And I believe the child steps method is so sensible as a result of it makes it really feel like a way more mild journey, but additionally don’t underestimate how rapidly your youngsters could be taught and adapt and take possession for that themselves.
Lisa: Yeah, oh my gosh, so properly stated. The children have taught me a lot. I really like listening to you say that. That was one other, that was a part of my evolution too, as a mother, was realizing how a lot my youngsters might educate me. I wanted to be open to that, so I believe I had some vanity, and I used to be a really younger mother. And so I actually simply wasn’t, I wasn’t observant sufficient till my youngsters had been just a little older as to how a lot they may actually educate me.
However in my youngsters cooking lessons now, I’m simply so amazed. The children educate me continually. It’s the one motive I’m nonetheless doing this. It really was divine intervention. I wasn’t wanting to do that. I’ve heard others say, like, I knew I needed to work with youngsters. I can’t say that I used to be actually in search of root trigger and my focus is on fixing the meals. And once I was requested to show the children cooking lessons, I used to be so impressed by the depth of their questions, their attentiveness and their need. And even once I misplaced my first location throughout COVID, I misplaced the placement that I had been educating in and the households requested me, please don’t go. And I stated, properly, , if it’s time for me to maneuver on, I’ll, I’ll transfer on. And so they stated, please don’t go. We’ll discover a location for you. You should use our homes. They, the children need this training, and that’s why I proceed to show it. I do consider it’s their aggressive benefit. We take into consideration all of the issues to provide our youngsters a aggressive benefit in life. That is it. It begins within the kitchen. Their freedom begins and ends within the kitchen.
Katie: I agree. And I believe that springboards additionally just a little bit into the dialog of the shifting of training in a extra broad sense, societally, which is definitely additionally properly talked about. And I’d like to get your tackle that as a result of I do know I used to be like, you utilize the phrases a product of the varsity system. And I really opted out on the very finish, very near graduating school, I made a decision I now not needed to take part in that after which began pursuing the issues I used to be really fascinated with. However it definitely led to a special method with my youngsters.
So once I was rising up, I didn’t know that school was non-obligatory till I obtained there. I believed it was like thirteenth grade, and it was so ingrained that was the objective of childhood was to get into a superb school. And I’ve taken such a special method with my youngsters. If something, I’m in all probability actively discouraging school and inspiring entrepreneurship or encouraging exploration and no matter they discover attention-grabbing as a substitute. However I’d love your perspective on that as a result of I believe one factor mother and father are dealing with is we’re listening to, after all, that the training system is altering, that school is altering. We hear of people that have a level and debt, however not a path and who possibly aren’t haven’t mastered a few of these vital pondering components now whilst adults. So I’d love any perspective you’re prepared to share on that as a result of I believe that is actually relevant and related to a variety of mother and father listening.
Lisa: Nicely, I really like that you simply requested this query, as a result of I do consider that vital pondering goes to be what units them aside. They’re not going to have the ability to out suppose a pc. A number of jobs are going to change into automated. Now I’ll share with the viewers that I graduated with my diploma in ‘97 in administration and knowledge expertise. And we had been informed that by 2017, all the things can be automated, that you’d order quick meals at a kiosk. You’ll pay for it at a restaurant, at a kiosk. and that there can be robots making the meals.
Now that was both predicted or predictive planning on somebody’s half that all the things would change into automated. And we had been informed it was as a result of the child boomers can be retiring and that will be the final wave of the child boomers retiring. Nevertheless, 1999, I labored Y2K. So New Yr’s Eve, 1999, I obtained to spend my night checking all of our techniques for the GM Truck Group. And proper after that, I learn Tom Friedman’s e-book, The World is Flat. And we had been going to a worldwide financial system. Now now we have individuals all around the world. I had robust circuits to engineers all around the world to examine our techniques. So we already knew that we weren’t depending on the child boomers. So we had been informed one thing in 1997 that in 1999, I noticed that wasn’t true.
So there’s a variety of issues I began placing collectively as a guide, proper? So when my dad was in school within the 60s, he was informed that the US would change into a service-based financial system. And its providers aren’t as invaluable. So now we have offshored all of {our capability}. All of our merchandise are made in China. We signed NAFTA and despatched a variety of our manufacturing to Mexico. And folks aren’t placing two and two collectively right here, that what we’ve left for us right here is much less invaluable. And we are actually depending on these different international locations they usually might change the value at any time. So it is perhaps 10 cents on the greenback at this time and it is perhaps $10 tomorrow. I imply, we’re now not in command of any of that. And now we have left ourselves in a really weak place. We additionally import most of our meals. And the meals that we develop right here is all purchased by the Processed Meals Corporations. So it’s very tough to entry like actual meals, all of the grains that we develop, the wheat, the corn, the soy, that’s all purchased by the Processed Meals Corporations. So then you definately’re actually left with nothing greater than processed meals on this nation.
There’s a variety of these information factors that I throw out to string collectively as a result of after they go to school, they’re going to be educated principally in a service. And what we’re seeing is that isn’t fairing properly for our financial system if we have a look at our GDP and we have a look at {our capability}. So I’m not essentially towards school, however I’m unsure what the worth, I don’t know the way invaluable that’s. And so we receives a commission based mostly on our worth. You’re paid based mostly in your worth, not your diploma.
And I’d have this realization when my youngsters had been in highschool that I keep in mind coming residence from yet one more private growth workshop. And I stated, you don’t must go to school. As a matter of reality, don’t go. And so they each checked out me like I used to be loopy. And so they’re like, now we have to go to school. I’m like, no, you don’t must go to school. So I’ve one which did as a result of she needed to be a social employee counselor and she or he has a calling, an enormous calling. So she went that route.
My different one didn’t go to school and truly does very, very properly doing what he needs to do. And it didn’t require any school. So I actually suppose that vital pondering is critical on all of our elements proper now. After I speak to adults, I usually say, I’ll sum it up with this transient story. I had a, once I had my Spa, I had a girl and her daughter each used to return to me as shoppers. And the mom was very sad. And she or he was like counting down her years to retirement, however she was so sad as a result of her daughter didn’t go get a company job. And I stated, why would you like her in a company job? She’s like, properly, she wants the safety and the advantages. I stated, there’s no such factor anymore. And there’s no pensions anymore. And so that you’re pushing on her an outdated mannequin.
And I requested her in the future, I stated, are you cheerful? Since you say you need Alyssa to be comfortable, however you’re not comfortable. So now we have to be actually cautious proper now to not push our youngsters in any given path as a result of they’re those who will create the longer term. We don’t need them recreating our… existence. It’s outdated. And so it’s actually tough as a mother or father, I believe, to step again and say, I’m simply going to provide the instruments that you simply want and also you go determine it out.
Katie: Oh, so properly defined. And I’m very a lot in alignment with you about that. I believe we’re in, such as you’re speaking about, a really distinctive level in historical past when issues are shifting. And it definitely is quite a bit to navigate for folks. However I really like issues like your instruments that make that. So it provides youngsters a concrete space of experimentation to be taught that and to hopefully have the arrogance and the autonomy inside that to then switch that into each no matter space of grownup life they select, no matter path they select.
And I’d guess such as you, I might need some that select to go to school nonetheless for a really explicit objective, but additionally others that may forge their very own path. And I believe it’s very lovely that we’re dwelling in a time when these are each very viable choices now. And some questions I’m very curious to your solutions on as we get near the tip. The primary being if there’s a e-book or variety of books which have profoundly impacted you personally, and if that’s the case, what they’re and why.
Lisa: Oh gosh, so I’m an avid reader, a whole bunch and a whole bunch of private growth books. I’d say in all probability Suppose and Develop Wealthy is without doubt one of the first ones that involves thoughts. as a result of it helped me to see, and I additionally did that, the Millionaire Thoughts Seminar, and that’s once I simply realized how conditioned we had been in a variety of methods.
Katie: I like it. I’ll hyperlink to that within the present notes as properly. The place can individuals discover you and your lessons and let their youngsters profit from this as properly?
Lisa: So my web site, lisajendza.com, at all times has hyperlinks to all the things I’ve occurring, together with the children web site, which is freedomkitchenkids.com. And fall lessons begin in September, each semester is 14 weeks. And I’m reside on Zoom each Wednesday afternoon Jap Time. However I try this in order that I’ve a facet of assist no matter the place a baby is or a mother or father. They’ll hop on Zoom with me each Wednesday.
Katie: Superior. I’ll put hyperlinks to each of these within the present notes for you guys listening on the go. Every thing shall be at wellnessmama.fm together with the books we’ve talked about. And I do know you have got a variety of instructional assets obtainable as properly. I’ll make certain these are all linked. Any parting recommendation for the mother and father listening at this time that might be associated to one of many subjects we’ve talked about already or unrelated recommendation that you simply really feel is vital?
Lisa: Yeah, let’s enable the children to resolve the issues. The identical degree of consciousness that created the issues can’t resolve the issues. We have now to carry a special degree of creativity or vitality. So I say on a regular basis, a tradition of comfort can’t be a tradition of creativity. So stop in search of issues to be handy and permit them to create. And if I’ve one self-serving motive behind that is that I consider that our meals provide is in a really dire place and would be the best problem that the following technology will face. And I shall be too previous to do something about it at that time. So if I can create leaders now, who’re conscious and who’re a part of the answer, then hopefully I can relaxation straightforward in my retirement years.
Katie: I really like that and I really like that quote, a tradition of comfort can’t be a tradition of creativity, that’s such a strong assertion and I really like the work you’re doing. I’m so glad we obtained an opportunity to attach and I’m excited for my youngsters really to get to take a few of your programs. Thanks a lot to your time at this time and for all the things you’ve shared.
Lisa: Thanks, Katie, it was such an honor.
Katie: And thanks as at all times to all of you for listening and sharing your Most worthy assets, your time, your vitality, and your consideration with us at this time. We’re each so grateful that you simply did, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the following episode of the Wellness Mama Podcast.
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